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On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Chris Weatherford wrote:


Just wanted to thank you for forwarding this the other day. I just had the opportunity to read it. I love getting little history tid-bits like this. Especially one's like this with quotes from our nations founders. You can just tell how they held the Bible as truth and how important it was to them. I loved the words from George Washington in his pray book.






On Wed, March 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Richard Smith wrote:


Yes, very dedicated men of God. They rose up from hardship....the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. We, as a nation, are rapidly getting away from this Christian foundation they set but what this will effectively do is what it did for them then. It will divide the light from the darkness. Hardship and strife always weeds out the sheep from the goats. Eventually Christians will face real persecution here in the good Ole USA. And those that are just playing Church will hide their so-called beliefs and capitulate. Those that stand firm, like those children of God before us, will lose their jobs, homes and possessions. Christianity is not for the faint hearted. Jesus set the pace and we must follow. Christians are even now afraid to talk to God in public, take their Bibles to work and read during breaks, wear signs of their faith on their clothes and around their necks and even talk like Christians....for fear they will lose their jobs. What will they do when their life is on the line? Deny Christ? This is already a deniel of Christ! It is just so subtle that only God can see it. And He is the very person that matters. Yes, the time is coming and it is already here where we will have to make a stand for who owns our hearts and where our interests lie. What a privilege! What a give back to Jesus a little of the dedication He showed to us! - Richard




Anyone have any comments on this?


April 9, 2009 at 2:57 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I urge...that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone--for kings & those in authority, that we may live peaceful & quiet lives in all godliness and holiness." (I Tim. 2:1-2)


One of the difficulties of living in the flesh but being a spiritual being is to not succumb to the distractions of the flesh but to place in it's prominent place the priorities of the spirit in our very fleeting earthly lives. This is why Jesus came. To free us from the confines of the flesh and encourage us to "seek first the kingdom of God..". Those of us that are Christians hold our allegiance, not to the president of the United States, but to a King. Not to the United States of America but to the Kingdom of God. We tend to forget this.
So what of our earthly citizenship? We are called to saturate our lives with the truth of the gospel like an oil spill. We are called to be salt and light in this country. To preserve the truth of God and reveal it....where ever we are. And we are here....for better or for worse concerning our worldly comfort.


There is nothing wrong with deeply appreciating nature, family, church, jobs and yes, our nation. This is good. As long as this isn't the end of our appreciation. God is the object of our worship. Not these things. We should approach these as gifts from God and hold them dear. When they become a distraction from God and hold our attention. They become our god.


So what kind of citizens should we be? Christians ones. For therein lies our true citizenship. Should we worry about our economy and spend our time talking about it? No. The other part of that verse "Seek you first the kingdom of God" is "and all these things shall be added unto you." What things? What we need to sustain us while we seek. We shouldn't seek the provisions but what God tells us to seek. Again we get distracted with the flesh and forget the spirit.


Should we worry about illegal aliens crossing our borders? No. We are called to "Go into all nations.." and spread the good news of Jesus. Why not let the nations come to us? Saves us the trouble in going to them.


Should we worry about abortions because babies are being killed. No. We should be concerned and in prayer about those that have fallen so far into darkness that they can do such a horrible thing. Do we spend our time in being angry at these unfortunate children of God, lost but children of God never the less, instead of praying for them? I hope not. But generally I am encouraged to be angry, by most emails, rather than encouraged to pray and be heart broken for the lost.
Should we become condescending and angry at homosexuals for their perverse way of life? No. We are called to love and these folks need Jesus just like we did when we were in bondage to sin. Sin is sin. Their only chance to know what we know concerning the wonderful love of God is for us to tell them. We won't get this chance if we aren't salt and light to them. Love, not anger and rejection, is their only hope.


So what about this country we live in? It is a gift from God and we should treat it so. Whereas our allegiance is to God, we are called to prayer for our leaders. Why? As the verse says above, so " that we may live peaceful & quiet lives in all godliness and holiness." Not so we can have healthy portfolios, less taxes, less illegal aliens, lower gas prices, more stuff and so on and so forth.


Our lives are not about sustaining what is perishable but about spreading the news about what is eternal and good. And like Jesus said.."Only God is good."


This following article, sent to me by my cousin John Twist [thanks John!] shows different Christians and how they did "salt and light" in our government. It is good. It shows the decline of what was once a strong Christian nation. This is sad. For the lost's sake, not necessarily for our nation's sake. Nations rise and fall but the righteous live on forever! Let's not lose sight of the real tragedy here. It isn't our's the lost in it. Let's pray for them with a broken heart and make this our focus.


This is my opinion, feel free to have yours. richard

April 9, 2009 at 3:15 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Brief History Lesson

Did you know that 52 of the 55 signers of The Declaration of Independence were orthodox, deeply committed Christians? The other three all believed in the Bible as the divine truth, the God of scripture, and His personal intervention.




It is the same congress that formed the American Bible Society. Immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of scripture for the people of this nation.




Patrick Henry, who is called the firebrand of the American Revolution, is still remembered for his words, "Give me liberty or give me death." But in current textbooks the context of these words is deleted. Here is what he said: "An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."


These sentences have been erased from our textbooks.




Was Patrick Henry a Christian? The following year, 1776, he wrote this "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here."




Consider these words that Thomas Jefferson wrote on the front of his well- worn Bible: "I am a Christian, that is to say a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator and, I hope, to the pure doctrine of Jesus also."




Consider these words from George Washington, the Father of our Nation, in his farewell speech on September 19, 1796:


"It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."




Was George Washington a Christian? Consider these words from his personal prayer book: "Oh, eternal and everlasting God, direct my thoughts, words and work. Wash away my sins in the immaculate blood of the lamb and purge my heart by the Holy Spirit. Daily, frame me more and more in the likeness of thy son, Jesus Christ, that living in thy fear, and dying in thy favor, I may in thy appointed time obtain the resurrection of the justified unto eternal life. Bless, O Lord, the whole race of mankind and let the world be filled with the knowledge of thy son, Jesus Christ."




Consider these words by John Adams, our second president, who also served as chairman of the American Bible Society.


In an address to military leaders he said, "We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and true religion. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."




John Quincy Adams, son of John Adams, was the sixth U.S. President.


He was also the chairman of the American Bible Society, which he considered his highest and most important role. On July 4, 1821, President Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."




Calvin Coolidge, our 30th President of the United States reaffirmed this truth when he wrote, "The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country."




In 1782, the United States Congress voted this resolution: "The congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."




William Holmes McGuffey is the author of the McGuffey Reader, which was used for over 100 years in our public schools with over 125 million copies sold until it was stopped in 1963. President Lincoln called him the "Schoolmaster of the Nation."


Listen to these words of Mr. McGuffey: "The Christian religion is the religion of our country. From it are derived our notions on character of God, on the great moral Governor of the universe. On its doctrines are founded the peculiarities of our free institutions. From no source has the author drawn more conspicuously than from the sacred Scriptures. From all these extracts from the Bible I make no apology."




Of the first 108 universities founded in America, 106 were distinctly Christian, including the first.


Harvard University, chartered in 1636. In the original Harvard Student Handbook rule number 1 was that students seeking entrance must know Latin and Greek so that they could study the scriptures:


"Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ, which is eternal life, John 17:3; and therefore to lay Jesus Christ as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and learning. And seeing the Lord only giveth wisdom, let everyone seriously set himself by prayer in secret to seek it of him (Proverbs 2:3)."


For over 100 years, more than 50% of all Harvard graduates were pastors!




In 1963, the Supreme Court ruled that Bible reading was outlawed as unconstitutional in the public school system. The court offered this justification: "If portions of the New Testament were read without explanation, they could and have been psychologically harmful to children."




Bible reading was now unconstitutional , though the Bible was quoted 94 percent of the time by those who wrote our constitution and shaped our Nation and its system of education and justice and government.




In 1965, the Courts denied as unconstitutional the rights of a student in the public school cafeteria to bow his head and pray audibly for his food.


In 1980, Stone vs. Graham outlawed the Ten Commandments in our public schools.


The Supreme Court said this: "If the posted copies of the Ten Commandments were to have any effect at all, it would be to induce school children to read them. And if they read them, meditated upon them, and perhaps venerated and observed them, this is not a permissible objective."


Is it not a permissible objective to allow our children to follow the moral principles of the Ten Commandments?


James Madison, the primary author of the Constitution of the United States, said this: "We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments."


Today we are asking God to bless America. But how can He bless a Nation that has departed so far from Him?


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